Andreessen’s Katie Haun says more Libra-like crypto projects to follow
Before joining Andreessen in 2018, Haun spent a decade as a federal prosecutor focusing on fraud, cyber and corporate crime, and was involved in untangling the Mt Gox crypto exchange collapse.
Katie Haun, a general partner at Andreessen Horowitz, said that in 10 years money will be digital, the same way books and music are today -- and that efforts such as Libra, which the venture-capital firm has invested in, will be key to getting there.
Libra, of course, is the controversial project started by Facebook Inc. a year ago, with the idea of creating a a global digital currency. The effort has run into regulatory and political resistance, and has had to regroup. But the pressure hasn't made Andreessen less of a believer. The firm has invested in rival Cello as well.
“There will be other entrants in this category,” Haun said. “Fundamentally everybody on the planet has a need to transfer value.”
While many venture-capital firms remain wary of crypto, Andreessen has recently started a second, $515 million fund, which Haun co-manages, that's investing in cryptocurrencies and blockchain projects. She serves on the boards of companies including digital exchange Coinbase Inc.
What follows is an excerpt of the interview, which took place on May 29. Responses have been edited for clarity and brevity:
What will money look like in 10 years?
It's going to resemble the path of a lot of other things in the physical world that have moved to digital. We think we already have that in services like Venmo and PayPal, but in reality that relies on physical banks' IOUs. In 10 years, the actual bits and bytes are going to be bearer instruments.
Imagine what books used to look like and what they now look like. What cassette tapes used to look like and what music now looks like. You are going to be able to mix things in very different ways and consume things in very different ways.
Who will be the corporate winners and losers of this transformation?
One of the biggest class of winners will be consumers, not necessarily a corporate group. All of a sudden people can do things without the middlemen, without the corporations. Corporations that are going to embrace this new future of money and build new services on top of things will win. Consumers still need nice user interfaces.
With that in mind, what are you investing in with your crypto funds?
One of our six categories is picks and shovels companies like exchanges and custodians, big companies like Coinbase and Anchorage. Another is a modern store of value like Bitcoin. We think it can be a nice long-term store of value. The longer it's around, the more its reputation is built. The third category is what we call Internet money, and this is building off the idea of Bitcoin but it's solving for limitations of Bitcoin. Here you've seen us make investments in projects like Cello and Libra. And we think there will be other entrants in this category.
What's the timing for Libra and similar projects?
I still think notwithstanding all the progress that's been made to date, we are still in the early innings of the internet money category. Extremely early innings. Think about those early dial-up days of the internet.
And that is also true of Libra. They've had a great technological breakthrough, but it's not yet ready for prime time, but it's getting there. And you can't put it into the hands of the public until it's ready and performing.
How many Libra-like projects will be duking it out, do you think?
I can look at some parallels in traditional financial services. We see an opportunity for a new financial network. It's not necessarily akin to a Visa or Alipay, because those are more limited, only people connected to these systems through their bank accounts can use them. We think of this internet money category as Visa 2.0.
Why are you investing in competitors to Bitcoin rival Ethereum -- do you not believe in it?
No, we are still very big believers in Ethereum. One of the things we think could play out is, each of these platforms has made different trade-offs. If you are talking about money, the need for security is immense. If you are talking about a blockchain game, maybe you care more about performance than security. You'd have a different platform for different applications.
Why do you see a lot of promise in blockchain games?
It's a huge market, gaming is bigger than the film and the music industries combined. Content creators and publishers are long used to experimenting with new business ideas. At the same time a large percentage of gaming revenues come from in-app purchases. All of a sudden if you think of crypto as a way for you to have digital goods that are truly scarce that the gamer actually owns, and can transfer to another game -- all kinds of possibilities are unlocked.
There seems to be relatively few VCs investing in this space right now. Why, and will that change?
It's a real commitment. You need to have a dedicated focus on crypto in order to do this because there's so much change and so many opportunities. We are starting to see some of the more traditional venture-capital funds starting to enter into crypto. Because of regulatory considerations, a lot of them can't hold tokens unless they register as registered investment advisors (RIAs). And tokens are where it's at right now, and where it's going. There are fewer and fewer deals in crypto that are pure equity deals.